3.69: Lightning Round Part Two

Katie and Kathryn work through more listener questions about numbers in the Bible, the binding of sins, and Isaiah's suffering servant.


In this episode, Prof. Kathryn Schifferdecker and Katie Langston address more listener questions, including:

  • Numbers in the Bible: What is their meaning?
  • What is the best way to explain the binding of sins to an elementary Sunday school class?
  • My question is about the bible passages found in Isaiah chapter 53, verses 4-12. Who is Isaiah referring to in those passages? I always thought Isaiah was referring to our Savior Jesus Christ. However I was told at our last text study that the person Isaiah is talking about in Isaiah 53:4-12 was a servant in Israel and not referring to our Savior Jesus Christ. Can you please clarify this for me?
Katie Langston and Kathryn Schifferdecker talk about numbers, binding of sins, and the suffering servant.

Show notes

Biblical books and passages mentioned

  • Isaiah 53:4-12
  • Matthew
  • Hebrews
  • Revelation 14:1-20

Topics, themes and figures mentioned

  • Secret Code
  • Numberology
  • The Da Vinci Code: novel by Dan Brown
  • The Number of 7: the number of completeness and perfection
  • The Number of 12
  • The Number of 40
  • The Number of 666
  • The Mark of the Lamb: 144,000
  • Roman Emperor Nero (37-68 AD)
  • Binding of Sins
  • Forgiveness

Other helpful resources

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Kathryn Schifferdecker

Kathryn Schifferdecker

Katie Langston

Katie Langston

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Kathryn M. Schifferdecker

Kathryn M Schifferdecker came to Luther Seminary as an assistant professor of Old Testament in 2006. Ordained in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America in 2001, Schifferdecker was associate pastor for five years at Trinity Lutheran Church, Arkdale, Wisc., before coming to Luther. Schifferdecker is a frequent contributor to workingpreacher.org, Word & World and the author of Out of the Whirlwind: Creation Theology in the Book of Job (Harvard University Press, 2008). She is currently writing a commentary on the book of Esther.

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Katie Langston

Katie Langston is a doubter by nature and a believer by grace. She grew up Mormon in a small Utah town and still isn't sure she fits in anywhere sophisticated enough to have a Target. She's the author of Sealed: An Unexpected Journey into the Heart of Grace, an acclaimed spiritual memoir about her conversion to orthodox Christianity. Katie works as the director of digital strategy for Luther Seminary's innovation team, where she oversees digital projects aimed at cultivating vibrant Christian spirituality in a post-modern, post-Christian cultural context.

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